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C5 Help => Tried & Tested : Share your good,or bad, experiences => Topic started by: gertk on 29, May, 2013 - 18:11:01

Title: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 29, May, 2013 - 18:11:01
I am contemplating using these:

http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/auto-diversen/autosport-onderdelen-en-toebehoren/a1001871459-nieuw-set-van-2-led-richtingaanwijzers-richting-aanwijzers.html?c=827ab967057e9f5ff33a0fad145c2c0e&previousPage=VIP_SIMILAR_LISTING

for use as rear indicator lights by mounting them inside the reflector unit (not sure if the reflector can be taken apart without much damage)
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: Luke S on 29, May, 2013 - 18:41:25
If you wanted to take the reflector out I think you will have to cut it out of the light.

They look good. Be great to see them attached to the C5 if you do fit them  :)
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: Luke S on 29, May, 2013 - 18:41:59
Also 10 times cheeper
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: kamilb1998 on 29, May, 2013 - 19:40:55
They would look great if you could get them fitted, but I think the light would get damaged if you tried to take it apart.
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 03, June, 2013 - 11:45:17
I ordered a set today, see what it is like.
To mount them inside the reflector I will probably dremel backpanel off (just the center light part, two thin slits) and slide the led panels in left and right.
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 04, June, 2013 - 14:48:50
Delivery can take up to 16 days (the order is dispatched to a HongKong business... :-\)
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: Luke S on 04, June, 2013 - 16:23:42
Delivery can take up to 16 days (the order is dispatched to a HongKong business... :-\)

I expect it is coming 2nd (Economy) Class
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: rekooh99 on 06, June, 2013 - 17:50:59
£3.54 for a pair on ebay uk not bad value at all
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 22, June, 2013 - 15:49:19
After a few hours work.....
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/gertk64/2013-06-22155246_zps1cdfdb3d.jpg)

I had the bright idea to make a small slot at the bottom and just slide the indicator PCB in.. That worked quite well except the PCB was 'floating' in the free space between the reflector and the back panel.. No problem: just drill a few small holes behind the PCB location and inject some hot glue and it should stay put.. Well, almost... The distance between the PCB and the back panel was larger than I had anticipated and the hot glue just poured into the reflector leaving dark ugly spots visible from the outside. :-[

Rescue time: I 'Dremel'-ed the shape of the PCB out of the back panel and painstakingly removed the hot glue from the reflector. Then the PCB was glued to the piece that was cut out and glued back into place into the back panel.

The other indicator was mounted in the same way, cutting out the shape of the PCB first, this time I only needed a small hole for the cable at the bottom.

The color in the picture is a bit filtered: in real life the indicators are quite orange  ;D

Front indicators have not arrived yet...
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 22, June, 2013 - 15:56:44
some more pictures...
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/gertk64/2013-06-22154117_zps067d597e.jpg)

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/gertk64/2013-06-22142022_zps83b95291.jpg)

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/gertk64/2013-06-22154107_zpse7d9e7a2.jpg)

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/gertk64/2013-06-22155629_zpsed718602.jpg)
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 22, June, 2013 - 16:03:00
These are the PCB's btw...

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/gertk64/indicators_zps1bf743d4.jpg)
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: Luke S on 22, June, 2013 - 16:07:40
very impressive
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: mhurt on 22, June, 2013 - 16:08:05
I've seen those on ebay and wondered how to fit them, now I know :)
Looks great - I might go down that route myself. I assume any general flasher relay for a car works ?
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: pso-buzz on 22, June, 2013 - 16:58:28
This is inspired
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 22, June, 2013 - 19:36:38
I've seen those on ebay and wondered how to fit them, now I know :)
Looks great - I might go down that route myself. I assume any general flasher relay for a car works ?

No, you will need a flasher relay specific for LED lighting because these modules use very little power and a normal flasher will not start at all or flash very fast.
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: rekooh99 on 22, June, 2013 - 20:38:30
Gert, looks absolutely brilliant ! great work!
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: C5 ENTHUSIAST + RESTORER on 22, June, 2013 - 21:23:46
Well done they look great .....I may have a go myself ..But at the moment I am in the middle of restoring another C5 (it's the third one this month ...)
Chas
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: radiomarty on 23, June, 2013 - 08:32:36
Thats really good - may have to upgrade Goldfinger ;)
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: Karl on 23, June, 2013 - 10:09:37
..that is a really good upgrade, love it  8)
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: Pep on 23, June, 2013 - 22:17:11
Excellent mod very impressed !
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 25, June, 2013 - 22:06:22
Could not resist to build a 2 pin flasher so I searched the web and tried two designs: a transistor based flasher and a power FET based one. The transistor based one was very frequency dependent on the load, the FET based version worked much better and after some experimentation I came up with the following circuit:

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/gertk64/2013-06-25223722_zps12bac3ff.jpg)
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 25, June, 2013 - 22:15:51
Some more pics of the 'circuit board'

Power side:
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/gertk64/2013-06-25223843_zpsb7455dbf.jpg)

Small signal side  ;D
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/gertk64/2013-06-25223735_zps7eab7c09.jpg)

The board can be put in series with the positive cable to the indicator switch (central pin) and functions just as the thermo-electric two pin flasher. I tested the circuit with the LED indicators and also with a 20 Watt halogen lamp and it works equally well.

Because of the low on-resistance of the FET it needs no cooling. The duty cycle can be varied with the capacitors and the 180k resistor (I had already put in a 220k and added a 470k in parallel and the flashing duty cycle is quite good but a 180k would probably make it just right..)
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 22, July, 2013 - 19:08:47
The front 'pods' finally came in, mounted them together with the mirrors this Sunday. Meanwhile the battery was charging from an abundance of solar energy...

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/gertk64/2013-07-21120618_zps8c2261e0.jpg)

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag99/gertk64/2013-07-21120629_zps21c60b25.jpg)

Although the brightness of the pods is good the viewing angle isn't... But in the dark they are quite visible..  ;D

Next step: pedelec sensor...

Maybe something like this:
(http://www.rat-holland.nl/WebRoot/StoreNL/Shops/61661998/4AE3/E2A6/6406/553A/3F46/C0A8/28B8/9957/P.A.S.-sensor_deelbaar_1_R-A-T_Holland.jpg)

Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: c5mick on 22, July, 2013 - 22:12:14
Hi
Does anyone have the link for these on EBay
Regards
Mick
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 23, July, 2013 - 06:37:46
Try searching for 'led pod' on eBay (for the pods that is)

The pedelec sensor (or dutch: 'trapsensor') is available from all kinds of webshops and searching on ebay on 'pedelec sensor' gives also a lot of results.

Mind though: you need to add electronics to enable/inhibit the C5 motor relay as the sensor is just that: a sensor to detect that you are pedaling.
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: Jonatan on 16, August, 2013 - 20:42:23
hi there,
actually you dont need expensive sensors around your wheels, I just got cheap reed switches and mounted them with hot glue. Then I took neodenium magnets to trigger the switches and it works great! You can keep it simple! Gonna post some pictures tomorrow!

Yours,
Jonatan
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 17, August, 2013 - 18:29:45
hi there,
actually you dont need expensive sensors around your wheels, I just got cheap reed switches and mounted them with hot glue. Then I took neodenium magnets to trigger the switches and it works great! You can keep it simple! Gonna post some pictures tomorrow!

Actually the sensor and magnet disc I bought were just EUR. 7,50
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: Jonatan on 19, August, 2013 - 17:43:34
Hi there,
oh wow! Thats very impressivee! It looks like 30! :-P

Yours,
Jonatan
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: gertk on 22, August, 2013 - 06:45:36
Hi there,
oh wow! Thats very impressivee! It looks like 30! :-P

Yours,
Jonatan

 :D

I got this one:

http://www.e-fietsspecialist.nl/shop/trapsensor/
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: Jonatan on 22, August, 2013 - 20:28:36
Hi there,
looks very nice indeed! :-) I just took normal reed switches and glued magnets on the big metal wheel that spins with the right wheel - Worked perfectly fine! :-) Yours looks more professional but both do the job! :-)


Yours,
Jonatan
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: dansretropod on 22, September, 2013 - 07:18:27
This is one of my favourite mods, keep up the great work ;D

I implemented it with animated arrows as seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiEzZPZ0xcE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiEzZPZ0xcE)
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: Jonatan on 22, September, 2013 - 21:43:57
Now that is very.... IMPRESSIVE! :-) Do you sell these as a kit!?! :-)

Cheers, Jonatan
Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: Luke S on 23, September, 2013 - 18:39:02
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Title: Re: Indicator option
Post by: pso-buzz on 23, September, 2013 - 19:02:14
They look great.  Far better than the originals