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C5Alive General Category => C5 Chatroom => Topic started by: minimin on 21, April, 2009 - 20:48:57
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Hello!
After many moons I finally have myself a C5! After searching on eBay, i saw one 10 miles away, and after having missed out on the last one close to home, I made an offer and I picked it up last night :)
The electrics are all in a box, and have all been serviced by Adam Harper, so should be in good nick. I have never had more people stop me to say hello in one trip. I took it out for a test run today, and was really surprised to see how fast it went, even if I did have a few near death experiences (the brakes broke! :o) but about 6 people stopped me to say how great it was to see one - one person even remembered seeing the launch on the BBC!
(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs031.snc1/3216_1135809804282_1498446808_30357493_6617237_n.jpg)
Mark
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Superb behaviour mate ;D
Some really good news !
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Superb behaviour mate ;D
Some really good news !
Thanks. Your advice on the brake cable was much appreciated. I will be at the bike shop tomorrow morning! I zipped along on the C5 to the bike shop which was shut!!!! So, just a few questions. First, what is a good way to clean it? Really cleaning it. Its filthy. Also, how do you smooth out holes/scratches?
Mark
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What a great picture, had to be done.
Retro Andy
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......So, just a few questions. First, what is a good way to clean it? Really cleaning it. Its filthy. Also, how do you smooth out holes/scratches?
Mark
cleaning ---> http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=335.0
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Thanks Karl, will do that tomorrow. It came with the two wheel covers but no centre bit, so do you know if I could buy them anywhere, or am I best of sticking to eBay? Also are the wing mirrors meant to be really bendy?
Thanks
Mark
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Hi Mark,
I'm really glad you got a C5 they are awesome machines. I know what you mean about the attention you get on one - people just love the C5.
As for the centre hubs, you might struggle, I was lucky enough to get some, but I spoke to Adam Harper about getting some, and the bad news is they were never supplied as a seperate item, even tho they have a part number, then only come with complete hubcaps. Adam sells these at 40 quid each, but they are brand new mind.
I think you can buy some non original ones I have seen some somewhere but I'm one of these funny buggers that like original parts :)
As for wing mirrors being bendy - not really the plastic case bends if you wobble them but they should be quite firm. I got some new ones from adam, and make the thing look fantastic - and they really work too.
Good luck with ya C5 dude
Regards
Ian
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Thanks Karl, will do that tomorrow. It came with the two wheel covers but no centre bit, so do you know if I could buy them anywhere, or am I best of sticking to eBay? Also are the wing mirrors meant to be really bendy?
Thanks
Mark
Non-original centre caps: http://c5alive.co.uk/ecommerce/product_info.php?cPath=4&products_id=20&osCsid=da37f16164d1637b0d5b6b552e3a77f1
Obviously they look different to the originals, but they still look okay and are a cheap way of improving the look of a c5 if the original centre caps are missing. I've fitted them to one of my own C5's.
The mirrors do flex and wobble , and need to be fitted using the black plastic clips. I suspect these are designed to allow the mirror to unclip on impact without damaging the bodywork.
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I know I had seen em somewhere LOL.
As for the mirrors - mine don't wobble just the bodywork they are attached to.
When I fitted mine I had to drill two holes and they screwed on with the black clips you mention.
I was really impressed by the way you can move the mirrors (like on a car).
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OK. C5 is cleaned up. It has started to click away!!! But it cant be the motor, because its not yet installed? Any ideas?
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OK. C5 is cleaned up. It has started to click away!!! But it cant be the motor, because its not yet installed? Any ideas?
REVISION.
I've had a look and it is the chain, which makes the noise as it passes under the Chassis, in the middle of the Y. But what can I do to stop the noise? The chain is only new.
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my chain is a pain too,
Usually they jump under load and come off the chain tensioner.
Is that what you mean ?
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my chain is a pain too,
Usually they jump under load and come off the chain tensioner.
Is that what you mean ?
Sort of.... There is no tensioner. It doesn't change when there is a rider or not, but when you push the pedals, you can see it hitting the frame. Also, when there is a leaf (very mechanical) pushing it does click but not so loud. So I suppose I need a big leaf?
Mark
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I dont know what you mean by leaf, there should be a tensioner without it the chain will jump.
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I dont know what you mean by leaf, there should be a tensioner without it the chain will jump.
Right, when you look at the C5 with no motor, through the back, you can see straight forward and the chain, which loops round. There is no sort of tensioner, just a chain and 2 cogs.
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..there should be a chain tensioner, a small arm with a spring and a cog on the end
http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=310.0
If not, Adam Harper still sells them.
Although a C5 can still be peddled without one , you will suffer chain slip when trying to get up hills etc.
Don't try to overtighten the chain without one as you risk bending the hollow rear axle.
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..there should be a chain tensioner, a small arm with a spring and a cog on the end
http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=310.0
If not, Adam Harper still sells them.
Although a C5 can still be peddled without one , you will suffer chain slip when trying to get up hills etc.
Don't try to overtighten the chain without one as you risk bending the hollow rear axle.
Ahh! So thats what that is It was sitting in the box. I'll try and find the installation instructions. Next thing. How do you fill screw holes or and really big scuffs in the hubcaps? Some holes have been drilled in random places, and they need to be filled!
Thanks
Mark
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I've never had to plug any holes in a set of hubcaps before, so I'm not in a position to advise. It could be that you're going to be the first to try ;D (that I know of). I'd be tempted to take a look at what's available in the bodywork repair section of your local Halfords type place.
It might also be worth having a word with some of those guys that repair car trim or motorcycle panels , they must be pretty good with all types of plastic .
Let us know how you get on 8)
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I've never had to plug any holes in a set of hubcaps before, so I'm not in a position to advise. It could be that you're going to be the first to try ;D (that I know of). I'd be tempted to take a look at what's available in the bodywork repair section of your local Halfords type place.
It might also be worth having a word with some of those guys that repair car trim or motorcycle panels , they must be pretty good with all types of plastic .
Let us know how you get on 8)
Good thinking! Will do that tomorrow. On the tensioner, my chain is really tense, it is a motorcycle chain, but it is too tense (i think) because it rattles away as it hits the bottom. From your picture it looks to have a big droop in the middle, so what I was thinking was when I get the white bit off, then I'll be able to put the tensioner downwards so the chain goes down the middle?
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Hi Mark,
Do you mean when the tensioner is on the chain - it makes the chain too tight ? as the spring should only take up the slack.
It might be that the chain you have is just a little to loose but not long enough if you know what I mean.
I have ordered a brand chain (and horn) 8). I think that will sort all my problems out.
I would not mod the C5 to fit the chain, I would put some links in the chain to fit the C5 or buy a chain. As karl has said the rear axel is hollow and can bend under stress if the chain is to tight. Not worth the risk IMO.
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Are you playing tennis ?
Retro Andy.
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Are you playing tennis ?
Retro Andy.
Eh ?
who ?
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Hi Mark,
Do you mean when the tensioner is on the chain - it makes the chain too tight ? as the spring should only take up the slack.
It might be that the chain you have is just a little to loose but not long enough if you know what I mean.
I have ordered a brand chain (and horn) 8). I think that will sort all my problems out.
I would not mod the C5 to fit the chain, I would put some links in the chain to fit the C5 or buy a chain. As karl has said the rear axel is hollow and can bend under stress if the chain is to tight. Not worth the risk IMO.
My tensioner came with the C5 off, as the seller said it wasn't needed, so I don't have the spring. What I was planning on doing is cabletying the tensioner to the underside of the C5 and then letting the chain run through the middle, because there is a big enough gap.
Mark
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I see,
If I were you and this is just my own opinion, I would buy and fit the chain tensioner. I tried to cable tie my spring tight and the weight of the chain snapped it in a week.
Your c5 will be worth more if kept original too.
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Sorry i was reffering to the chain question going back and forth. ;D
Retro Andy.
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Thanks. I need to take the white part off the C5. I've been to Halfords and spoke to a guy who owned a C5. He gave me the wrong tool to remove the pedals! It doesn't fit!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( Does anyone have a link for one or the size of the nut which I need to undo (connecting the C5 to the pedal arms). Also, does anyone have an original wiring loom available? Thanks
Mark
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So now your trying to remove the body ?
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So now your trying to remove the body ?
Yes. ;D The chassis is really mucky and the top has rust on it. The bottom seems OK. I will need to completely re-wire it, the loom has been cut and the seller has given me some plain white wire, which I don't think will suffice.
Also on my to-do list it.....
-Pod Does it work?
-Control Box Why is all the wires cut, does it have fuses and does anyone have a cover?
-Battery
-Hammerite the chassis
-WASH IT DOWN!!!! 8)
-Fix the boot
Mark
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Man that sounds like a proper Restoration job. I cant help you any more m8. Some of the parts like a wiring loom and controller cover are going to be really hard to get.
But I can answer some of your Q's
Yes the controller has fuses
Dunno why the wires were cut
Can I ask - how much did you pay for this ?
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Man that sounds like a proper Restoration job. I cant help you any more m8. Some of the parts like a wiring loom and controller cover are going to be really hard to get.
But I can answer some of your Q's
Yes the controller has fuses
Dunno why the wires were cut
Can I ask - how much did you pay for this ?
No! ;D I bought it for £120, but it came with
-Charger (Modified for new batteries, but looks dangerous, only has one crocodile clip!)
-Tonneau
-Side Panels
-Wet Weather Coat
-Motor (not installed)
-Halfords Battery
Most importantly A tub of Hammerite!!!
But the guy did say they had all been serviced by Adam Harper, however, he has no record of what he has serviced or hasn't. =[
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I thought a lot of my wires had been cut when i stripped it apart, but discovered there are a lot of spare wiring built into the main loom for accessories like indicators, i looked at other pictures and compared mine.
Retro Andy
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Looks as though you are getting to grips with your C5 mate. I'd compare it to a house renovation or car restoration - at the very start it always looks a lot worse before it gets any better ;)
Work out what needs doing first, what can be fixed and what has to be replaced - and how original you want to keep it. For example, neither "voodoo" or "Malcolm" run on the standard pod and control box setup.
Andy is right about the spare wires , some spares are there for connecting to the indicator kit and the electric horn.
Having the pod checked by C5martin might be worth considering, at least that way you will know for sure if it is fully functional or not
http://c5alive.co.uk/ecommerce/product_info.php?cPath=2&products_id=34&osCsid=3c8a9c61b69be3782ad5c03540ed2da7
The original Sinclair battery chargers are still very good chargers, a sort of forerunner of the Optimate type chargers you see today. But they are getting on a bit , so I never leave mine unattended when they are in use.
http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=383.0
If the motor was serviced by Adam there should have been a receipt, if that's gone missing why not contact Adam and see if he has any record of what was done - and how long ago.He also sells the wiring looms, but I've no idea how much.
Scott is busy sorting out a C5 similar to yours, so it can be done. Andy's is another example of what can be achieved, so keep up the good work !
Once you get your C5 up and running you'll have that lovely feeling of a job well done 8)
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Looks as though you are getting to grips with your C5 mate. I'd compare it to a house renovation or car restoration - at the very start it always looks a lot worse before it gets any better ;)
Work out what needs doing first, what can be fixed and what has to be replaced - and how original you want to keep it. For example, neither "voodoo" or "Malcolm" run on the standard pod and control box setup.
Andy is right about the spare wires , some spares are there for connecting to the indicator kit and the electric horn.
Having the pod checked by C5martin might be worth considering, at least that way you will know for sure if it is fully functional or not
http://c5alive.co.uk/ecommerce/product_info.php?cPath=2&products_id=34&osCsid=3c8a9c61b69be3782ad5c03540ed2da7
The original Sinclair battery chargers are still very good chargers, a sort of forerunner of the Optimate type chargers you see today. But they are getting on a bit , so I never leave mine unattended when they are in use.
http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=383.0
If the motor was serviced by Adam there should have been a receipt, if that's gone missing why not contact Adam and see if he has any record of what was done - and how long ago.He also sells the wiring looms, but I've no idea how much.
Scott is busy sorting out a C5 similar to yours, so it can be done. Andy's is another example of what can be achieved, so keep up the good work !
Once you get your C5 up and running you'll have that lovely feeling of a job well done 8)
Thanks Karl. the wiring looms are £29. Any idea how to get the front light off?
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Remove the bulb holder to prevent damage to the lense
Put your hand up under the front bodywork by the front wheel. Gently squeeze the two retaining lugs together and the headlight should lift out.
The emphasis here is on gently, the plastic is old and getting brittle.
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Remove the bulb holder to prevent damage to the lense
Put your hand up under the front bodywork by the front wheel. Gently squeeze the two retaining lugs together and the headlight should lift out.
The emphasis here is on gently, the plastic is old and getting brittle.
Thanks Karl, done that. The light is out, and the bulb is intact. The red and purple wires to the back light and switch seem to be the only thing that is intact!!!!!!! ;) Off to the cycle shop to drop off the C5 (pedals are being removed)!!!
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Grrr. Got caught in a heavy downpour and then the boot fell off. Sitting at home trying to dry off... :(
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Thats one of the joys of driving a true convertible i tell people when i get caught out in the rain ;)
Retro Andy.
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Thats one of the joys of driving a true convertible i tell people when i get caught out in the rain ;)
Retro Andy.
He he ;D.
The bike is in the cycle shop and is being well looked after 8). Well, the next thing on the agenda... WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY CONTROL POD???
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The outside
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The Box. This is all I have, what is it missing? There seems to be some silver thing on the bottom of the C5 that is still attached, but I'm not sure what thats all about.
Thanks
Mark
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Hi Mark,
well from the picture it looks like
1) the top outer case and screws
2) Two fuses
3) top left where the opening is there should be a foam seal.
That box looks in very good nick from the picture, so when everything is plugged in it might work OK. That missing cover might be a problem though.
The boot fell off because your two clips missing - its a common fault with C5's although mine has yet to fall off.
Just a quickie do you really want to paint the frame with hammerite ? The original is a smooth grey.
keep up the good work
Ian..
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Hi Mark,
well from the picture it looks like
1) the top outer case and screws
2) Two fuses
3) top left where the opening is there should be a foam seal.
That box looks in very good nick from the picture, so when everything is plugged in it might work OK. That missing cover might be a problem though.
The boot fell off because your two clips missing - its a common fault with C5's although mine has yet to fall off.
Just a quickie do you really want to paint the frame with hammerite ? The original is a smooth grey.
keep up the good work
Ian..
I was given red primer to do it in! What sort of paint to you use? Does it look similar?
Thanks
Mark
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Control Box Glass Fuses.
Should there actually be a fuse here? And what purpose do the glass ones serve?
Thanks
Mark
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I powder coated my frame it cost me about £20.00 and the end result was worth it, i think your best bet is to send some pictures to Karl and see if he can supply you with the missing bits, or keep an eye out on e-bay for a spares or repair c5 going cheap with the bits you need, as to get them seperatly is going to be difficult , good luck and keep up the good progress.
Retro Andy.
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I powder coated my frame it cost me about £20.00 and the end result was worth it, i think your best bet is to send some pictures to Karl and see if he can supply you with the missing bits, or keep an eye out on e-bay for a spares or repair c5 going cheap with the bits you need, as to get them seperatly is going to be difficult , good luck and keep up the good progress.
Retro Andy.
How DO you Powder Coat it? And Karl, the bits I need are in the Control Box Picture above and a lock, or a way of getting a lock to fit a key. Also, should the lock look like this?
(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs031.snc1/3216_1138399109013_1498446808_30364502_4459369_n.jpg)
The key doesn't fit, but it does fit the ignition.
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Should there be another part to the lock? Also, how long ish is the front break cable?
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Should there be another part to the lock? Also, how long ish is the front break cable?
There should be a "U" shaped clip that holds the lock to the boot , and the barrel should have a sort of "tail" on the end that moves when you turn the key. I dont have any spare boot lock & key sets.
The front brake cable outers are just over 1m long, with the inner cable needing to be longer still. You will also need all the ferrules if the originals are missing. These stop the cable being pulled up into the lever assembly.
http://c5alive.co.uk/ecommerce/product_info.php?cPath=19&products_id=78&osCsid=ad0d356f5c15c9384b3510b9dd73b306
Fuses;
http://c5alive.co.uk/ecommerce/product_info.php?cPath=19&products_id=37&osCsid=ad0d356f5c15c9384b3510b9dd73b306
Replacement Control Box;
http://c5alive.co.uk/ecommerce/product_info.php?cPath=19&products_id=176&osCsid=ad0d356f5c15c9384b3510b9dd73b306
Control Box repair;
http://c5alive.co.uk/ecommerce/product_info.php?cPath=19&products_id=35&osCsid=ad0d356f5c15c9384b3510b9dd73b306
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Should there be another part to the lock? Also, how long ish is the front break cable?
There should be a "U" shaped clip that holds the lock to the boot , and the barrel should have a sort of "tail" on the end that moves when you turn the key.
The front brake cable outers are just over 1m long, with the inner cable needing to be longer still. You will also need all the ferrules if the originals are missing.
http://c5alive.co.uk/ecommerce/product_info.php?cPath=19&products_id=78&osCsid=ad0d356f5c15c9384b3510b9dd73b306
Right thanks Karl, Do you have a spare lock for sale?
Thanks
Mark
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Another thing. Are the fuses just bits of glass :o or are they real fuses?
Thanks
Mark
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Another thing. Are the fuses just bits of glass :o or are they real fuses?
Thanks
Mark
;D...they are proper fuses, just a weird size.
Your best bet for a boot lock assembly would be Adam Harper, unless your local friendly locksmith can sort yours for you. The pins in the barrel can be adapted to fit your key, but you are still missing a few essential parts.
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About to paint the C5 down.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZnlrFuLQ3PM/SfdWAKDleQI/AAAAAAAAAFI/SEa5qMoGiOA/s1600/IMG00901.jpg)
Before
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After
Mark
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About to paint the C5 down.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZnlrFuLQ3PM/SfdWAKDleQI/AAAAAAAAAFI/SEa5qMoGiOA/s1600/IMG00901.jpg)
Before
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After
Mark
..not sure if it's just me, but I can't see the piccies ? :-\
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No, i cant see the pictures also
Retro Andy
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After seeing the Pictures on the other post, I have decided that the C5 DOES NOT suit red! It has gone brown! So, shall I cover it in a coat of Grey Primer or a coat of Hammerite? Also, about the legalities of a C5. Can I drive on the footpath? I live on a VERY busy road and the thought of cars zooming past at 50 is a bit worrying... :o
The traffic warden doesn't seem to mind, he said hi when I was out for a spin. (Before it was take apart!)
Mark
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hi mark,
When the body is on you can't see the frame anyway so I guess it's just a matter of using the best paint for the job. I'm painting mine the original colour when I get round to it but that's only coz I want it original.
As for the traffic, I can't say other than all the cars I have met have been very good. Legally you can't use the c5 on the pavement unless it's a cycle patch too.
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Thanks. I'm going to paint it in Hammerite, but if anyone has any better sugestions let me know before 4:30 tomorrow. Next on the agenda...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZnlrFuLQ3PM/SfoOl0X-x1I/AAAAAAAAAF8/47R8F7Sm7PQ/s1600/IMG00906.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZnlrFuLQ3PM/SfoOl0X-x1I/AAAAAAAAAF8/47R8F7Sm7PQ/s1600/IMG00906.jpg)
What is this. It is on the plastic, where the Control Box looks to be.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZnlrFuLQ3PM/SfoNN0c4ndI/AAAAAAAAAF0/e3Ca-cdYz5Q/s1600/IMG00907.jpg)
A shot from the back, no boot.
So, what could it be???
Thanks
Mark
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Cant see the picture, try using photo bucket when posting pictures.
Retro Andy
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Sorry. Here it goes again.... ;)
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The thing.
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Where it is in relation to the body (looking in, without a boot)
So what is it? Any guesses?
Mark
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Whatever that is it's not part of an original c5. My best guess it's a 3rd party controller. From what I have read they are fitted for 24 volt use. If that's what it is I would check the gearbox on the Motor is ok, as they tend to break on 24v.
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Not ever seen one of them before, perhaps its the turbo electric control box ;D
Retro Andy.
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I think Umpa is on the right lines, that looks like the remains of a non-standard controller. It's not exactly the same as those we used to supply in the 24v kits, but very simlar.
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Oh. He said it was bought from you. So I'm not sure if it would work. Well, as for all my C5 wiring, it has been cut.
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HOW THE HELL DO YOU CLEAN A C5?
I have used -
-Cif Kitchen Cleaner
-Cif Plastics restorer
-Professional PVC Cleaner
-Flash
I've done it about 6 times today with all of these, and the thing wont get ANY CLEANER. Warren - How is you C5 so clean? What did you use on it?
PLEASE HELP
Mark
>:( >:( >:(
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lol Mark, I had the very same problem.
I found it best to clean it with a cheap creme cleaner its called 'cream cleaner' .
I also had limited sucsess with BBQ cleaner for oil stains.
I also used fine scotchbrite - the green pan squares with foam on the back.
Scrub like crazy and do it about 4 or 5 times - the results are well worth it.
Ian...
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lol Mark, I had the very same problem.
I found it best to clean it with a cheap creme cleaner its called 'cream cleaner' .
I also had limited sucsess with BBQ cleaner for oil stains.
I also used fine scotchbrite - the green pan squares with foam on the back.
Scrub like crazy and do it about 4 or 5 times - the results are well worth it.
Ian...
Hiya....
Where did you get Cream Cleaner?
Mark
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Hi Mark,
I had to ask the wife - lol
Its Aldi PowerForce creme cleaner.
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Hi Mark,
I had to ask the wife - lol
Its Aldi PowerForce creme cleaner.
Nice. ;D After the 10th scrub with power PVC window cleaner and then a wash down with Cif Kitchen Spray, the C5 looks clean in the sun. But in the dark you can see muck in the grain, but I'm going to leave that. Thanks Umpa.
The motor works, I've hooked it up to the battery, but it meant to sound like it is about to explode? It has a a bit of tape round the gearbox, so I am just hoping you were wrong about the 24V, because I don't want the gearbox shredded. Also, he said it CAN do 30MPH, but he hasn't got it to do that.
So, I'll hammerite it down, and then leave it to dry :). Oh, and got to bury a fish. Nemo died yesterday :(
Mark
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Hi Mark,
If it can go 30mph even if it never has, its had a 24v conversion at some stage. This means you should strip the gearbox and take a good look for wear or damage. The motor should make a wizz sound - it its grinding it indicates a problem.
As for the body work, it takes ages and you may never get it 100%
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Hi Mark,
If it can go 30mph even if it never has, its had a 24v conversion at some stage. This means you should strip the gearbox and take a good look for wear or damage. The motor should make a wizz sound - it its grinding it indicates a problem.
As for the body work, it takes ages and you may never get it 100%
It looks like thats what I'll have to do. Merde.
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My wife lived in France for a few years and speaks it very well - lol
sorry m8 but yes thats a good word for it. Might not be gloom and doom tho could just need greasing.
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My wife lived in France for a few years and speaks it very well - lol
sorry m8 but yes thats a good word for it. Might not be gloom and doom tho could just need greasing.
I hope so. Its in pieces (much like its owner). How do you get the gearbox and the motor apart. Ive followed C5 Martins guide but cant separate the box and the motor.
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will you post a pic of what you got ?
then I can tell you better, I did mine and needed a few extra bits but I did get is sussed.
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Sorry i have only just seen your question about the powder coating, i bought some sand from the local car body repair shop and borrowed a sand plast gun, then i spent three hours sand plasting the frame and took it to a guy who powder coated it for me.
Retro Andy.
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Sorry i have only just seen your question about the powder coating, i bought some sand from the local car body repair shop and borrowed a sand plast gun, then i spent three hours sand plasting the frame and took it to a guy who powder coated it for me.
Retro Andy.
Oh, thanks Andy! The hammerite went on on sunny Mondya :P, so I'm just waiting for the wire loom gubinns to arrive.
So will update you all to that!
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I hope so. Its in pieces (much like its owner). How do you get the gearbox and the motor apart. Ive followed C5 Martins guide but cant separate the box and the motor.
Sorry mate, must have missed this one.
If you still need the help ;
Using either matchsticks or ends of cable ties (or whatever works for you) inserted into the small groove at the end of each finger ,you need to raise the "fingers" that grip the gearbox. By keeping all the fingers raised with the matchstickes/cable ties etc, the gearbox should then slide out.
To dismantle the motor and remove the fingers you need to undo the two bolts.
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I hope so. Its in pieces (much like its owner). How do you get the gearbox and the motor apart. Ive followed C5 Martins guide but cant separate the box and the motor.
Sorry mate, must have missed this one.
If you still need the help ;
Using either matchsticks or ends of cable ties (or whatever works for you) inserted into the small groove at the end of each finger ,you need to raise the "fingers" that grip the gearbox. By keeping all the fingers raised with the matchstickes/cable ties etc, the gearbox should then slide out.
To dismantle the motor and remove the fingers you need to undo the two bolts.
Wiring loom arrived. How do I connect it?
Thanks
Mark
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Does your c5 have a partial loom already on it ?
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Does your c5 have a partial loom already on it ?
Nope. It has NO wires whatsoever.
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Sorry thats lost me, i only remembered where my wires went because i took pictures, some of them are straight forward, but their are some that's not used unless you have indicators etc.
Retro Andy.
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Sorry thats lost me, i only remembered where my wires went because i took pictures, some of them are straight forward, but their are some that's not used unless you have indicators etc.
Retro Andy.
Andy - if possible could you either email minimin some piccies or post them here ?
Piccies speak a thousand words so it might be the easiest answer.
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Not sure what ones i have now, but i will have a look.
Retro Andy
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Anyone know how to take apart a C5 lock? Thanks
Mark
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Anyone know how to take apart a C5 lock? Thanks
Mark
Not sure ! Do you mean loom ?
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I found this two pictures of the control box wires, hope they help a little, if you have a complete wiring loom, then some of the wires have no connectors on the ends, these are only used for indicators etc, if your c5 does'nt have indicators etc then a lot of the wires are just neatly cable tied away, but the rest should be easy to work out, like the lights, the power switch, pod and motor.
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Retro Andy.
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By the way did i just earn another star to my profile Karl for hitting 250 posts ? ;D
Retro Andy.
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Also have a look at my restoration picture's (type in to the search bar:- Andy's Project) you may find some of these pictures useful, feel free to drop me a message with your phone number and i will call you and explain where the wires go a bit better.
Retro Andy.
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Hiya! How long is the front and back break cables, and the Lock thingy was for the boot.
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Hiya,
Does anyone know where you can get a current shunt.
Thanks
Mark
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Hiya,
Does anyone know where you can get a current shunt.
Thanks
Mark
whats one of them ?
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Hi Karl,
How long would it take for an order to get to me if I were to order tonight?
Thanks
Mark
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Also, how do you get the rear break light off (opened up?)
Thanks
Mark
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If you mean once the light unit is removed, you cant seperate the rear lense from the grey bulb holder back part, the light is one moulded unit.
Retro Andy
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Hi Karl,
How long would it take for an order to get to me if I were to order tonight?
Thanks
Mark
Hi Mark
Once payment is received I always try to get everything posted the next working day
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Also, how do you get the rear break light off (opened up?)
Thanks
Mark
Andy is correct, once you have undone the two screws the rear light unit lifts away from the bodyshell. But the red lens and grey backing are bonded together, the only removable part is the black bulb holder - this just pulls apart from the back of the light unit.
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Thanks Karl + Andy.
I'm going to place an order now. But are the LED bulbs compatable with the back ones?
Thanks
Mark
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Thanks Karl + Andy.
I'm going to place an order now. But are the LED bulbs compatable with the back ones?
Thanks
Mark
Yes mate,the bulbs fit both front and rear lights.
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Not to be cheeky, but does anyone have a faulty control box they no longer want?
Mark
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Theres one on e-bay which runs out in about 8 hours
Retro Andy
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IVE GOT A SPARE CONTROL BOX THAT NEEDS REPAIRING ,IT IS REPAIRABLE AND C5 MARTIN HAS IT AT THE MOMENT. MAKE ME AN OFFER UNLESS U HAVE SPARES U WANT TO SWAP,CHEERS SCOTT
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IVE GOT A SPARE CONTROL BOX THAT NEEDS REPAIRING ,IT IS REPAIRABLE AND C5 MARTIN HAS IT AT THE MOMENT. MAKE ME AN OFFER UNLESS U HAVE SPARES U WANT TO SWAP,CHEERS SCOTT
Great! Whats wrong with it? Does it have all the wires?
And what to buy??? What shall I get? i only have the chain tensioner, so with the cog and spring, What shall I buy from the shop to get it working again?
Thanks
Mark
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My advise would be to take this
http://c5alive.co.uk/ecommerce/product_info.php?cPath=2&products_id=36&osCsid=3c8a9c61b69be3782ad5c03540ed2da7
or
http://c5alive.co.uk/ecommerce/product_info.php?cPath=7&products_id=176&osCsid=3c8a9c61b69be3782ad5c03540ed2da7
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My advise would be to take this
http://c5alive.co.uk/ecommerce/product_info.php?cPath=2&products_id=36&osCsid=3c8a9c61b69be3782ad5c03540ed2da7
or
http://c5alive.co.uk/ecommerce/product_info.php?cPath=7&products_id=176&osCsid=3c8a9c61b69be3782ad5c03540ed2da7
I was going to do that, but all I am missing is a few wires and a current shunt, which Adam Harper said are obsolete :'(
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hello mark the control box is complete i think it needs some diodes and soldering work which c5 martin can fix for £27.00 i did replace some fuses in it and some new screws and bolts as for wires it has two all other wires are from the loom,motor and battery feed they are separate parts which i dont have, try emailing karl he might be able to help you out with them parts, as for the control box its yours if u want it give me a call tomorrow and we can have a chat about it 07737828648 cheers scott.
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mark,
Sounds like you might have it all wrapped up, but just for reference - what is this shunt you talk of ?
here's a pick of my spare controller
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t203/Umpa_EG/dab46488.jpg)
My best guess is you mean the red relay is that correct ?
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Close....
Its the big silver thing on the bottom left.
Mark
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Well if it all goes pear shaped and you can't get another, I can tell you what the components are. The heat sink should be easy to make. When you say they are obsolete, do to mean they actually sold these as a replacement part ??
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Nope, it was the wires that had gone. :(
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Scott, I'll give you a call tomorrow mate.
Mark.
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How long is the chain?
Thanks
Mark
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Also, has anyone got the two lugs that hold the light on? And also a boot lock and key?
HELP ME ;D ;D
Thanks
Mark
£
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I think the chain was 182 links i think ? I did count them, but it was about five weeks ago when i replaced mine.
Retro Andy
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Thanks. Also, was wondering if anyone has the bolts for the pedals, or any sort of instructions for putting the pedals back on.
Thanks
Mark
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Also, has anyone got the two lugs that hold the light on? And also a boot lock and key?
HELP ME ;D ;D
Thanks
Mark
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Not exactly sure what you mean ??? If you are talking about the front light, the lugs are attached as part of the light unit itself - if they are missing then the light is broken.
The rear light has two screws and a "lip" along the bottom edge.
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(http://www.postimage.org/Pq1v8CJi-48bed494f0342ac8186af90d1f5b0803.jpg)
Those black things at the top. And this picture is by Leeb.
Mark
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I don't see a picture
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I didn't see a picture before, but I do now !
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OK. The C5 is on the brink of running, all thanks to the wonderful Scott!!!!! ;D ;D But how do I connect the motor to the battery? I have the battery block, but what else do I need wire-wise? Also, how do I connect the rear light?
Thanks
Mark
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mark i think your probally best off buying a c5 wiring kit as you can use any battery i've got one and they are really easy to fit you can get one from c5 martin.
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I second that, I got my wiring loom today, fitted it within 20 minutes and connected it to a brand new battery. Was zooming around in minutes!
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Only problem is they are sold out. So I need some sort of alternative method.
Mark
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Only problem is they are sold out. So I need some sort of alternative method.
Mark
They do tend to sell quickly.
I'm sure Martin will get the next batch sorted as soon as he can but, as always, it's a case of finding the time to fit everything in.
When the next lot is ready I will announce it on the forum.
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Only problem is they are sold out. So I need some sort of alternative method.
Mark
They do tend to sell quickly.
I'm sure Martin will get the next batch sorted as soon as he can but, as always, it's a case of finding the time to fit everything in.
When the next lot is ready I will announce it on the forum.
Yep, thanks Karl. Was wondering what your alternative would be? How do I wire the battery up?
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The only alternative is to wire the battery directly to the contol box with the brown and blue wires. The normal method is to cut the ignition block off and stick some battery terminals on the end. This was always an rubbish effort and you can cross wire the battery.
As above - wait for a wiring kit, will save heart ache.
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Rightyho. I'll do both. I'm going to do Umpa's suggestion for the battery clamps (but not butcher my poor little battery block!) with new wires. And when the new wiring kits are in, save one for me Karl!
Thanks
Mark
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Also, if anyone has taken apart a control box, is it essential to have the blue wire soldered? I don't have it, and my C5 has no indicators etc. Also, the wires both have connection heads, not soldering ones.
Thanks
Mark
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Not sure what your talking about when you say soldered. Mine are fixed via little nuts inside the control box and are fine.
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Also, if anyone has taken apart a control box, is it essential to have the blue wire soldered? I don't have it, and my C5 has no indicators etc. Also, the wires both have connection heads, not soldering ones.
Thanks
Mark
Well there are pictures of a C5 control box with the blue wire going under the board and being soldered on. I was just wondering (before I do anything!) Has anyone got any pictures of their control box set ups?
Thanks
Mark
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Go to the downloads section of the main website;
http://www.c5alive.co.uk/downloads2.htm
..then scroll down to,and click on, the instructions for wiring the old style 12v QR wiring kit;
http://c5alive.co.uk/pub/downloads/QR-Power-Wiring-Fitting-Guide/QR-full-guide.pdf
The piccies there might be of use :)
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ANYONE GOT A PICTURE OF THE C5 CONTROL BOX WITH THE CORRECT WIRES IN PLACE?
THANKS
MARK
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I sent two pictures a couple of weeks ago, have a look back on this post (May 9th) also Umpa sent another picture i think.
Retro Andy
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Right. I've had it. The electrics don't work. I've tried to do it but the stupid thing won't work. They (the wires) are all hooked up as advised, minus the x6 row of stuff, I don't have any of that. But, I have started testing. To make the motor go, i can connect the - motor to the bottom of the relay and it goes.
BUT I have started testing. The motor works when I connect it to the battery and the C5 makes a loud noise which is the belt rubbing on the drive cog. When I pedal and put on the motor, then it works too, but is silent. What is all this about? Is it normal?
Thanks
Mark
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Does the pod light up and are you using the original battery loom or the c5 wire kit ?
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I'm using the original wires and nope the pod doesn't light up. The circuit I have is
Battery ------- Switch --------- Motor¬
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Right, so your not using any of the c5 electronics, and have wired the motor to the battery via a switch?
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Yep. I sort of realise why people love/hate the C5.
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hi mark you should have had the box i sent you repaired by martin it would have saved you all this time and trouble and saved the time drinking ale and taking the .... out of the mancs cheers scott
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I think that is where the box is going. Sorry
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Mark,
Before we can help you, your going to have to put everything back to standard - only then will we have a chance of helping you & even then it might be that you need to send the pod or controller or even both to be serviced.
Its beyond the scope of a forum to help in the repair of the box or pod as it requires knowledge of electronics, which to be fair you dont have - much like me :)
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Right. Blank canvas. There are now no wires connected to anything.
Mark
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"Malcom", the fur covered C5, runs without a control box or pod - just a few wires, a relay and a switch (plus a battery of course..)
It is a direct copy of the set up found on a couple of "new" boxed C5's that Mark (previous owner of c5alive) had bought. Must have been some of the last to leave the factory when it closed down, guess they were short of parts :o
Although it will probably damage your battery in the long term, it might be worth considering if you're on a tight budget and just want the c5 to run ;)
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Pod
Has anyone got any clips that hold the pod to the C5?
Thanks
Mark
(I only need one!)
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Sorry i have'nt any, but i have seen them on e-bay from time to time or maybe Karl has a spare one.
Retro Andy.
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OK, thanks Andy.
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Also, have you got the screws for on top of the back of the C5 (behind the red light) and the little black clips on the top of that part, which the light goes on to Karl? Or anyone else? (Money waiting)
Thanks
Mark
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Also, have you got the screws for on top of the back of the C5 (behind the red light) and the little black clips on the top of that part, which the light goes on to Karl? Or anyone else? (Money waiting)
Thanks
Mark
They are just speed clips and self tappers dude go to wilkos or a fixings and fasteners place.
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Anyway, Karl, your pieces are here! Thanks they were great. Just fitting the chain tensioner at the moment, so just fitting them on now.
Thanks
Mark
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Just a quick note Mark, you can get the side reflective strips from Karl, i did try and trim the first set i put on mine, but did'nt think the finish was not as neat as i'd liked, so i replaced them again, they might be about 2mm wider, but fit as good as you'll get.
Retro Andy.
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I bought some too, you will have to trim them, but there is a convenient line to guide you. I cut mine with the scissors and it really makes all the difference to your c5.
Self sticky too, just trim and stick.
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So hows it coming on Mark ? Have you sorted out the electronics ?