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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #15 on: 20, October, 2012 - 21:41:59 »
@ kamilb1998

Engine sizes are height with tank 26cm, carb. side 23cm, from pull starter to drive output 21cm.

As mentioned before, I found new GX22s for sale in the UK, at this time (about 1 year ago) they were £75, now they are £115. the WP is
www.seddondirect.co.uk/productDetails.asp?productID=370

BUT, I would not recommend buying one from them, as the engines are only equipped with a centrifugal clutch and no output drive. Finding a drive like this is like looking for hen's teeth, as they are no longer produced. I did read that Honda insisted that the clutch was necessary, as I was going to use it in an aircraft driving a prop. the clutch was not needed. Now I need the drive shaft.  :(

Any engine powered grass/bush trimmer (strimmer) would be suitable, they are fitted with a long drive shaft and case. Both of these can be shortened to your requirement. I'm not too sure but I should imagine that a chain saw motor would have a much larger cubic capacity.

At this time of year second hand units should be going cheap, so strike so long the iron's cold.  ;)

Edit: Look at this item in eBay.co.uk.  The silver drive shaft shown in the third photo is part that I (or you will) need. This can be shortened for connection to a generator.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-4-Stroke-Strimmer-Only-Used-For-1-Day-/110965966907?pt=UK_Home_Garden_GardenPowerTools_CA&hash=item19d616483b
This would do just as well, except it's a 2 stroker.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ryobi-RLT26HT-Petrol-26cc-Strimmer-Hedge-Cutter-Pack-/230861100013?_trksid=p2047675.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29%26meid%3D2883137566203952842%26pid%3D100009%26prg%3D1013%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D110965966907%26
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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #16 on: 21, October, 2012 - 10:29:17 »
A Sinclair C5 "hybrid" appeared on our Bournemouth run in 2007 ;

http://current.com/items/88575581/sinclair_c5_coast_run.htm

..it had been made using components from a mobility scooter to give hand controls that were above the legs (did away with the under leg handlebars) but also had an onboard generator to keep the battery topped up. Sounds similar to what you have in mind.

If you view the video clip (see link above) at minute 04:24, 06:10 , 06:36 and 09:49 you can see a brief glimpse of the vehicle . Shame we didn't take any more details at the time.
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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #17 on: 21, October, 2012 - 13:57:16 »
You're correct it's a hybrid, but I tend to shy away from this term, at least here in Germany. This is also one of the reasons for placing the generator in a trailer. If the unit was integrated into the C5 there is a possibility that the "Bulls" or the TÜV (MoT) come to the conclusion that if it's a hybrid then it's no longer a bike but a car, after all we've never heard of a hybrid bike.   :-\  As a car they have no documentation covering the C5, so the only solution would be to ban it.

I once tried to obtain an operational permit for my Piper P2 from the TÜV, they informed me it would cost a minimum of 15,000 Marks. At that time you could buy a Mini for 5,000, or an E-Type for 18,000.    :o  So I'm not even going to try to obtain a permit for the C5. One other problem in Germany is that each State has it's own TÜV and they are not unified, they make up their own regs. E.g. in Bavaria 6" wide wheels are not permitted on a (old) Mini, in Baden Würtenberg they are. Net result the Bavarians go over the border and have their wheels registered there, absolute nuts.  :o
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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #18 on: 22, October, 2012 - 09:51:15 »
If the trailer mounted generator is wired to the battery in the C5 then it is a petrol electric vehicle

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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #19 on: 22, October, 2012 - 12:23:51 »
I'm not worried about how you classify it, I'm only worried about how the powers to be here classify it. Regulations here are not the same as the regs. in the UK, I wish they were.  :(  Since there is no EU reg. covering the subject I come under the national regs.

Anyway it's something I don't need to worry about for quite some time, without a road going C5 it's neither here nor there.  :)

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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #20 on: 22, October, 2012 - 12:36:35 »
It's still an interesting subject, even if it's only hypothetical.
I've actually emailed the DVLA here to ask for their opinion (out of pure curiosity).

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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #21 on: 22, October, 2012 - 12:56:52 »
Please let me know what the outcome is.

I know I can't use their opinion  here, but I might be able to use it as a bluff.  ;)

It's still my opinion that the configuration remains within the EU regs. It might be a good idea to approach the EU authorities as it's their say that counts in all of the EU countries.

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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #22 on: 22, October, 2012 - 16:14:33 »
Nothing's new under the sun

Look here: http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1403.0.html

Just wondering why no one else came up with this link.  :o

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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #23 on: 22, October, 2012 - 17:01:22 »
Two completely different ideas, that's why :p
Chas's was both electric AND petrol drive, not electric drive only with an engine acting as a generator/charge :)

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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #24 on: 22, October, 2012 - 20:03:12 »
Thanks. My mistake.  :-[

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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #25 on: 14, November, 2012 - 12:18:08 »
http://www.totalgardens.co.uk/Kipor-IG-770-Silent-Camping-Generator-PS13471.html

Something like that in your trailer and a cheap battery charger would do the trick!

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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #26 on: 14, November, 2012 - 12:38:21 »
Hi,  I've found 12v generators (new), much the same as the one in your link, at around £150.

It was just the idea and the challenge, plus the engine in the cellar. I have too many irons in the fire at the moment to even think of starting such a project.

Funny receiving your post today as I almost sent you an email yesterday evening.

Cheers.  KarlG.

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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #27 on: 14, November, 2012 - 12:41:54 »
I still haven't had any reply on the legality of such an idea from the DVLA/VOSA yet :(

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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #28 on: 14, November, 2012 - 13:09:02 »
Their reply will probably be a white waggon with blue flashing lights and a red cross on the sides. There will be two very friendly men bringing you a nice present of a jacket.  ;D

Jocking aside, they may think it's a loony question and that you are a prankster trying to waste their time. I find the best way is to send a second email, and at the top, in upper case and bold, a title to the effect that this is your second request. If you still receive no answer after a couple of weeks, THIRD REQUEST and so on.

It could also be that they have no data for such a case, and no one is prepared to stick their neck out and end up with an unwanted Presidential  Case.

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Re: C5 with 100 mile range, no battery, no peddling.
« Reply #29 on: 14, November, 2012 - 13:18:24 »
Heh, I did actually put in the email that it wasn't a crank email, as when I read it before sending I realised how daft it actually sounded :)