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7 speed hub
« on: 09, September, 2014 - 08:23:25 »
Hi I have picked two Sachs s7 super 7 speed hubs one compete with cable and twist grip and one without but hope to find one on EBay later . So as soon as I get back from my holidays I will be starting a new restoration with one of the 7 speed hubs in place but before I start on the C5 restoration I will be stripping the hubs down and cleaning and greasing them and also making sure they work I know the one with the twist grip works as I tested it before taking it off the bike ..
The Gear ratios are as follow

1st gear = 0.59
2nd " = 0.69
3rd " = 0.81
4th Direct drive
5th. " = 1.24
6th " = 1.48
7th. ". = 1.69

That is at it was on the bike but it will change when I put the other cog on (if I can get it welded on ok )



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Re: 7 speed hub
« Reply #1 on: 09, September, 2014 - 08:34:48 »
Just testing to see if they where all working

I have been testing the hubs today using a wheel straightener that I made .And swapping over the cable and click box twist grip and the pin that goes through the spindle from one to the other before I buy any parts and it looks like they are both good
What I will do is to as my friend to order the items off eBay in Germany ...
Will post some photos ASAP
Bye Chas     



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All working as they should ,so started on the frame




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Re: 7 speed hub
« Reply #2 on: 09, September, 2014 - 08:50:16 »
Hi Just made up the 7speed hub bracket and fitted it to the frame .
Then fitted the hub to it just checking that it fits ok and it does ,so the next thing was to get a cog for the back wheel so I decided to use a 6 speed cog  but it will not be fastened in place until I have done some test on peddling speeds as I do not know how fast or slow I will have to peddle .
So I will fit  the cog on the back axle so that it will move from the small cogs to the biggest ones then making chains to all sizes then I will have some idea where to weld it

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Re: 7 speed hub
« Reply #3 on: 09, September, 2014 - 08:52:50 »
Hi just made myself a back brake mod that I will be fitting to the  C5  .



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Re: 7 speed hub
« Reply #4 on: 09, September, 2014 - 20:07:28 »
Hi I have also been doing some testing and still not sure how it will run I decided to make a smaller front crank (35  teeth ) the original has 42 teeth
In the meantime I will be making two chains and try both but not until it has been finished ...




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Hi just finished testing the hub on the frame also fitted the rear brake mod .
 Regarding the hub I wanted to make sure that I geared it down to make it easer to peddle when You come across an incline  or want to get some speed up but as with the normal C5 you have to peddle  hard to keep it going ,without the7speed  hub turning the front crank around once will turn the wheels round twice
.Here is the gearing using the 7 speed hub after gearing it down .
First gear would give you when the crank goes round once the wheels will go round  1.15 times

Sec  gear would give you 1.25 turns
Third gear.                        1.50  " "
Forth gear.                        1.75. " "
Fifth gear                           2.00  " " same speed as it would be without the hub being fitted
Sixth gear.                        2.75  " "
Seventh                              3.00  " "
So it will make it a lot easer to peddle up hills and also to peddle faster on the straight .

Photos to follow
The next thing it to restore the C5 and do a proper test with all the gears with me on it


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Bye Chas



Hi here are some photos of the chassis with the hub fitted and tested ...Just need to get the back axle welded on .



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Hi  just started on the body



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Re: 7 speed hub
« Reply #5 on: 09, September, 2014 - 20:22:41 »
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Hi all added a bit more to the C5 fitted the front indicators +  the 7speed shifter .



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Re: 7 speed hub
« Reply #6 on: 09, September, 2014 - 20:27:38 »
Wiring checked  and seems to be ok now


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Now fitted the body to the chassis also the wheels and the back brake mod


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Also fitted the mirrors




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Re: 7 speed hub
« Reply #7 on: 12, September, 2014 - 14:52:47 »
Hi Chas,

Like normal , nice bit of modifications. Keep up with the good work.

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Re: 7 speed hub
« Reply #8 on: 21, September, 2014 - 16:57:03 »
Thanks lance

Here are the results of the hub under test in the garage .After fitting a larger cog on the hub to the back axle


1st gear the wheels will turn 1-25 times for one full turn of the peddles

2nd gear the wheels will turn 1-50 times for one full turn of the peddles

3rd gear the wheels will turn 1-75 times for one full turn of the peddles

4th gear the wheels will turn 2-25 times for one full turn of the peddles

5th gear the wheels will turn 2-75 times for one full turn of the peddles

6th gear the wheels will turn 3-25 times for one full turn of the peddles

7th gear the wheels will turn 3-75 times for one full turn of the peddles

Bearing in mind that one turn of the peddles on a normal C5 the wheels will go round twice     

Bye Chas

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Re: 7 speed hub
« Reply #9 on: 21, September, 2014 - 17:05:39 »
Taken it for a test drive and it runs very well I am very pleased with it .
Next thing is to strip down the motor and service it before fitting it




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Re: 7 speed hub
« Reply #10 on: 21, September, 2014 - 17:13:53 »
Just started cleaning the motor .....

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Re: 7 speed hub
« Reply #11 on: 21, September, 2014 - 17:25:55 »
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